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Poster: patkelley Date: Dec 20, 2006 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

I think that people should refrain from talking about legal issues on here (not that you are in this post), because it really comes off sounding like a bunch of uninformed crap.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Dec 20, 2006 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

There's some truth to what you say, but isn't that the way it is with a number of topics?

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 20, 2006 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

i would say that applies to most non-dead topics, but that's half the fun, panning through the silty water and finding them nugs.

i don't think anyone is going to cite the GOGD forum when
they're having an entertainment lawyer draft a mucical services agreement.

Schedule 'A' - less cowbell


This post was modified by mcglone on 2006-12-20 20:49:55

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 20, 2006 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

But you can talk about them being a lawyer right?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 20, 2006 1:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

wouldn't that leave you at a loss for good things to say?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 20, 2006 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

perhaps. I can only guess at Pat's reasoning but considering he's a lawyer I bet it's similar to the reasoning I got from one when I was fighting for custody.I did ALL my own research and ALL my paperwork, I had one question I wanted to ask the guy and he smugly informed me how I was over my head and mucking things up and basically I was stupid for being a " layperson" trying to do a lawyers work. In the end I saved over 2K and got the MOST I can get with the system being how it is.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 20, 2006 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

sounds like you got a bad lawyer. While I admit there are times when the phone rings I cringe because of the client on the phone, I never blow them off. If I'm busy, I make sure to call them back asap and you always listen to the questions, complaints, etc. because in the end it's the client's case, not yours. Also, word of mouth is more than a band jaco played in - it's crucial to your professional reputatiion and thus future referrals. In the end, you should be trying to reach a resolution the client will be able to live with it (which is usually far different than what they originally envisioned). That's why you have to take the time to listen to your client as well as to make sure you keep them informed on what is happening with their matter. It never ceases to amaze me how the only contact some lawyers seem to have with their clients is when it comes time to send out the bill. But then again, I'm very seldom surprised by the types of personalities I encounter in this profession.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 20, 2006 5:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

No, I actually had a very good lawyer - ME - in that I represented myself. I read and read precidents etc. Initially ( during the divorce ) I consulted with a guy twice but didn't retain him. He gave me some sound advice and I did the rest. Fortunatly it was my ex wife that had the bad lawyer. I played her and got THE best I was going to get. Was it fair? NO, but going by the system we have it was as good as it could possibly get. The incident I spoke about was that two years later, per my plan I made my move from 30% to 50%, I called another guy ( the one I mentioned ) who smugly put me down and then lo and behold I got exactly what I wanted. Alot of it is dotting your i's and a lot of patience, and as a result I was able to do as good or better than a lawyer and saved myself 2-5K in the process.

Mind you I didn't have a ton of properties and other assetts to fight over. If that had been the case I'm sure I would have hired one at that point. Don't get me wrong, lawyers are valuable, I just don't think society should be made so overly complicated and tricky just to justify their existence.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 20, 2006 5:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

i hear ya man - i used a mediator - my ex was willing to listen and we went literally 50/50 on everything. custody issues and visitation issues were no issue at all, she wants me to have them as much as possible - she feels dads as are important as moms. i folded in letting her keep the assets of the house until the kids reach 16 - but that was for them not her - it is all about the kids. she folded on issues too so all worked out without lawyers.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Dec 20, 2006 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

I hope you are the smarter twin younger brother and got it in writing! I thought I could trust my ex, and I could for a year or two, and then... She screwed me bigtime!!! Not to get riled up this time of year, but it is a very sore spot with me. It's not just the money, but she gave my dog (I couldn't have my German Shepherd here) away and didn't even let me know to say goodbye! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

OK, I've vented, feel much better now. Thankyou all for your tolerance, sorry to rain on the parade.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 20, 2006 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

thanfully my ex and I have everything in writing, and what isnt - we have an understanding that morality rules before our wishes - it has worked so far - she may be a bitch - but she has adhered by the rules and has adhered by the #1 rule the the kids come first - i have no complaints - we get along fine - she and I don't always agree, but we always we work it out in a peaceful ageement - it is much better than many divorces out there - we are in the minority - we treat it like friends and parents - kids come first, we come last.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Dec 20, 2006 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

Good on ya both...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 20, 2006 10:42pm
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That's great! That's how it should be. Mine has gotten better but unfortunatly she will allways be the type of person who feels she is owed or entitled. Fortunatly for me I'm smarter than her : )

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 20, 2006 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

couldn't disagree more pat.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 20, 2006 12:57pm
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I would take issue...it's one thing to be ignorant of the law, but nonetheless many valid expressions were put forth and that in the end is what it's all about...coming to understand what is 'right' and 'wrong' in this context takes quite a bit of effort, and the more viewpoints the better, to a certain extent. I found posts of experience (ie, Syd, Rob, etc) very useful. That is, I personally benefit from discussions like those of yesterday. Of course, I largely deal in uninformamatics and crap, in that order...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 20, 2006 1:13pm
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If the 'law' was necessarily the final arbiter of what was right and wrong would we still have slavery and women who couldn't vote? People change laws - not vice versa.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 20, 2006 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

Ah ha! That IS what I was saying above, but not very well...good one.

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Poster: DeadDave50 Date: Dec 20, 2006 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Follow-Up

Thank God we have experts and the "post police" here to straighten us out....

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